Dear all, I previously measured pH in the cytoplasm by ratio imaging in the
cells introduced with BSA that was doubly coupled with FITC and rhodamine.
The cytoplasmic pH was 7.7, and acidic vacuoles was around pH 5. A part of
the figure in JCS paper (vol 111,p2100,1998) is attached. Shigehiko



On 10.6.26 2:43 AM, "Julian Gross" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Michel Satre's extensive NMR meaurements also gave values of pH 7.3-7.4 for
> cytosolic pH.
> 
> see for example Cell 75, 321-327 (1993).
> 
> Julian
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: DICTY [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Harry
> MacWilliams [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 25 June 2010 12:54
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> Subject: Re: [DICTY - 355] cytosolic pH
> 
> Cytosolic pH:
> 
> Margaret Clarke and I obtained pHi 7.55 using ratiometric pHlourin, a
> modified GFP; see J Cell Science 115, 1907-1918 (2002).  More recent
> measurments using an improved spectral unmixing algorithm now give values
> closer to 7.45, similar to Rob's measurement.
> 
> A major uncertainty in all biosensor pH measurements concerns the location
> of the biosensor, ie is it really all in the cytosol, or might some also
> be in organelles?  Margaret's images of agar-overlayed,
> pHlourin-expressing cells showed a clear "swiss-cheese" cytosolic pattern,
> with holes where one expected acid vesicles and mitochondria.  Ratio
> images showed pH uniform througout the cell.
> 
> Margaret, Jyoti Jaiswal and I also made ratio images (unpublished) using
> the "esterase-loaded" small-molecule pH sensor BCECF.  These images showed
> multiple round, low-pH objects surrounding the nucleus, presumably
> endosomes; a higher-pH granular component near the cell surface,
> presumably mitochondria, and wavy compartment of intermediate pH in
> between, presumably ER.  BCECF appears to enter all of these compartments.
> The cell edge was not sharp in these images, and filopodia were not
> fluorescent, suggesting that BCECF is cleared from the cytosol.  Thus
> BCECF measurements, and by implication measurements with other
> esterase-loaded sensors, may simply reflect the relative amounts of acid
> vesicles, ER and mitochondria in the individual cell under examination.
> 
> Using pHlourin it is easy to show that in phosphate buffers with pH
> between 5 and 8.5, pHi in wildtype cells changes by at most a few tenths
> of a point.  Acetate at low pHo, however, produces rapid, large changes in
> pHi, from which wildtype cells recover in several hours even in the
> continued presence of acetate.  Barry Coukell's patB- cells show enhanced
> sensitivity to protonophores and do not recover.  An ER-targeted pHlourin
> gives pH values lower than the cytosol, but Dicty mitochondria have
> cytosolic pH.
> 
> We looked at pHi in the cell cycle and development using pHlourin, but
> could see no modulation.  Slugs under cover slips often show an "acid
> nose" but this disappears if the cover slip is left off, so it presumably
> results from anoxia.  In ratio images, the prestalk-prespore boundary is
> not apparent.  I also rechecked the pHi of rtoA nulls with pHlourin;
> in my hands it was indistinguishable from the parental strain.
> 
> If anyone is interested in pHlourin pHi measurements, the vector is in the
> stock center, and I can send cells.  If you have access to a
> spectroflourimeter, recovery from acetate loading makes a nice student lab
> experiment.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> harry
> 
> -------------
> 
> On Thu, 24 Jun 2010, Rob KayMRC wrote:
> 
>> Salts: Maeda years ago
>> pH: about 7.4 from in vivo NMR Kay et al, 1986.
>> Rob
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 24 Jun 2010, at 17:38, Richard Gomer <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dunno about specific ions, we measured osmolality of lysed cells (see
>>> our 2004 JBC AlrA paper), its ~ 250 mOsm/ kg H2O for veg cells, and is
>>> 400 at 6 hours.
>>> 
>>> For cytosolic pH, see Aerts et al 1985 Cell.  We saw cytosolic pH's in
>>> veg cells ranging from 6.4 to 7.4 depending on cell cycle phase (see
>>> our
>>> 2000 JBC RtoA paper)
>>> 
>>> Also, be careful with 'Sorenson's phosphate buffer', about 15 years
>>> ago
>>> I read a protocol using this  buffer, and didn't have a recipe- I
>>> emailed the Dicty listserver and got ~6 replies.  Each recipe was
>>> different.....
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> Richard Gomer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard Gomer
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Ralph GrÀf <[log in to unmask]> 06/24/10 6:54 AM >>>
>>> Dear Dicty Researchers,
>>> 
>>> I was trying to find a publication where somebody has measured or
>>> estimated the cytosolic salt concentrations of prominent cations and
>>> anions but I was not successful. I doubt that the commonly used low
>>> ionic strength Soerenson phosphate buffer reflects a physiological
>>> situation for cytosolic proteins.  We would like to use an optimal
>>> physiological buffer for cytosolic proteins with regard to pH, ion
>>> concentration and ion composition. Any helpful hints are welcome.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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